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In a rambly fashion, I recently commented to valancy that I loved the subtle way pov functions in Veronica Mars.  And she asked what I meant...  I tried to explain myself in a comment and found that I'd run out of space before I could even get to the point.  It's honestly a concept that I have a hard time making linear enough to write out.  I'm sure if I'd been more interested in lit crit classes than classical rhetorical theory in college, I'd be able to point directly at the proper name of what I'm talking about and then expound knowledgeably about its use in VM. 

Lacking that background, I'm just going to babble on merrily about it, because even if the technicalities are lacking, the VM love abounds.  And maybe the discussion will attract someone who knows what I'm talking about better than I do.  I'd love to be educated hint hint.

And be warned:  it's long.

First, it's probably useful to define 'subtle' as I mean it.  On the surface, it's hard to fathom labeling the use of pov subtle in a show that's named after the pov character, is partially narrated first-person by same character, and in which the title character is in a ridiculously huge percentage of scenes.  So: subtle.  And to put it in partly fannish terms:  "not of the anvil nature" and "as related to subtext."

It's not so much that it isn't very, very obviously Veronica's point of view that we see, but the effect that pov has on me as a viewer that I find exceptionally well done, layered, and very much non-obvious.   I'm repeating myself from the earlier comment here, but it comes out inside-out, with a variation on unreliable narration:  Veronica's telling us the story, we're definitely seeing it through her eyes, but she's busy telling us about how her life used to be and that the story is about Lilly's murder.  But by watching the story play out on our televisions, we can see perfectly well that there is a huge gap between the world as she sees it and the world the way it is.  It's like...somebody help me out with terminology here, *please*...third person omniscient narration shoved inside purely first person narration.  I think this what I am struggling to say:  the writers on this show manage to effectively put me as viewer in the position of feeling as if I am telling--in-- the story.  Yes!  That's what I mean.  And I won't say that this is the same thing that makes me a BtVS girl at heart rather than an AtS girl at heart.

Anyway, there were two examples of this that came up.   First, the one that I was about to go into when I realized my post was too long for comments on LJ:  Veronica as a cold fish, though I think that one's really more accurately labeled 'mixed audience perceptions of Veronica Mars.'  Then second, the one that got valancy asking questions in the first place:  falling in love with Logan. 

It's fairly typical of readers/viewers, as well as *many* creators/writers, to want to pigeonhole their characters quickly -- it creates a feeling of familiarity and a bond of "I know what she's all about" -- identification happens and shows draw audiences that are loyal fans.  The vast majority of Hollywood is all about sticking to the formula:  define your character and don't stray, or the viewers will.  And perhaps that is true.  But I tend to get bored with this after a while.  I want my characters to grow and change.  When they don't, the show gets stale.  This is *not* a problem for me in VM, although I guess it could very well prove to be a problem for RT and company, ratings wise.  From where I sit, it's brilliance.  

It's safe to say that viewers of the show have had mixed reactions to Veronica as a character over the span of the season.  Even within episodes.  Taking the finale as the example, a goodly number of reactions (positive and negative) complained about Veronica's characterization.  I've seen takes on it that range from 'she's a complete bitca who totally dissed my poor woobie' to the more common 'she's cold,' 'that's not the Veronica I know,' 'she's a user,' and 'when did she turn stupid?' 

I may be reading much more than is really present in the intentions of the writing team, but I think it's a factor of the inverted pov they use in the the show.  What we see on our screens, these mixed views of Veronica as a character, are intended.  I mean, how do you suppose Veronica feels about herself?  It's fucking phenomenal writing that they can make me feel about her the way logic tells me she *must* feel about herself:  I'm a bitch.  I don't care about anyone or anything.  What's *wrong* with me, to be doing this?  How could I do that to ***?  What was I thinking??

She's not giving us voice over on it, for the most part.  And even when she does give us voice-over, it's hardly reliable as to the state of the world or its affairs or herself, really.  I mean, Veronica tells us that her life used to be perfect, and we know now, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that it wasn't.  It's all in the twisted pov we get.  Why would a writing team intentionally send such mixed messages to an audience?  Because it *makes us feel exactly what Veronica Mars is feeling*. 

Which leads beautifully into the secondary example I mentioned earlier.   The use of pov in VM to create emotional attachment to characters in the story is amazingly well done.   I told valancy that I think I've fallen for Logan more because Veronica has than because of any inherent attraction I might have for either the character or actor involved.  I say this because I've pretty much systematically eliminated other possible reasons why I'd be so head over heels for this relationship and character.  I started off expecting to be entirely on the Veronica/Duncan train, rooting for Cinderella to get her prince, and to want to read fan fiction with Veronica/Weevil doing the nasty.  Somewhere in the process, Wallace became a defacto brother, Duncan became obnoxiously passive aggressive and *entirely* wrong for Veronica, Weevil lost his shine, and I fell in love, or at least lust, with Logan Echolls.  We could make a game of that:  mark the points in time where Veronica's feelings about the various men in her life changed by where *your* feelings changed...see how it fits.  Some would call it manipulation, I suppose, and a cheap writers' trick.   Manipulation, in my mind, is something altogether different.  Manipulation is what I call it when I *notice* the tricks while they're being played.  I have to have time and distance and spend serious analytical thought to find the tricks being played here.   To realize that I started feeling sympathy for Logan pretty much at the same place in the story where Veronica did, that I was suspicious as hell when he went to her for help and shocked *out of my gourd* when she kissed him and then he kissed her back. 

I kind of got astray from that process of elimination, didn't I?  So back on track...

Logan's about as far from 'type' for me to fall in lust with as it's possible to get.  Jason Dohring is not physically gorgeous or stunningly beautiful (Spike).  He's not the dark, rakish anti-hero (Methos).   He's not the classic leading man with pure intentions and a heart of gold (too many to name).  He's a cute looking boyman with a chipmunk face, ordinary brown eyes and hair that's...okay with some overtly classist and possibly racist tendencies, an insensitivity to the pain of other people, and a downright asshole.  Sure, there are reasons or explanations for some of that, and a phenomenal backstory of battered child/poor-little-rich-boy, but those are pretty much truths about Logan Echolls.  Definitely doesn't fit my model for fantasy leading man.

I don't ordinarily go for the woobie psychology, either -- lost soul is far from attractive to me in a fantasy partner.  The assholish behavior he had, especially in the beginning?  Pissed me off completely, and I *didn't* see chemistry there.  In the torture fest that constituted my high school years, I HATED with a bloody passion boys like Logan and Dick and Duncan.  As an adult, I pretty much feel the same way.  About the only thing I can credit to the actor/character that's on my "list of wow factors" is the voice.  JD's voice is like pure chocolate to my soul.  But that's hardly enough to win me over, and I've fallen hard for Logan.  Moreover, I've fallen for Logan and Veronica, together.  Much to my dismay.  The labels being thrown around in the fandom around V/L shippers don't exactly make me want to hop on board and be called a Loganista. But the bottom line is, I am.  And I think I will be, until Veronica changes her mind.  

It's not like with other pairings I've loved in other fandoms -- I'm not driven by wanting to see him happy, and therefore wanting to see him with whoever he wants to be with, and if that's Veronica, then so be it.  I actively dislike the notion of him with other girls (though the powerful slash vibes there with Weevil would probably content me, and the utter fuckedupness that with Duncan would create appeal to the fic reader in me, at least).  He hates her, he mistreats her, he goes to her for help, he kisses her, he wants her to trust him, he lies to her, he wants her to off herself...whatever he feels about Veronica, it seems highly unlikely that he's ever thought, "Gee, she's the only thing in the world that will make me happy."  So that can't be what's motivating me. 

It really all comes down to the effect the story is having on me.  And when I try to isolate *why* the story has this effect on me, it feels too simplistic to say "they gave him a great character" and "the acting is fabulous."   While both are true statements, that's not enough in other cases, so there must be something more than that going on here.  I lay it at the feet of the writing itself, the concept and method of delivery (pov being the primary delivery mechanism) of the show itself.  Because it does such a complex and layered job of describing Veronica to us, I am Veronica's bitch.

Do the writers really do it on purpose, or is it just Chris projecting her own wank on them?  We could analyze the text and subtext to try to make a call, but it's still interpretive games.  I do know I've seen a similar effect in other series television that was critically acclaimed, so there's at least some likelihood that it is, in fact, a viable and intentional storytelling method. 

Is it good writing, or bad?  Obviously I think it's *excellent*.  Your mileage will certainly vary on that count. 


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May. 20th, 2005 09:34 pm (UTC)
You know, I so love this post. Because it gets at things I've been thinking about with VM, and with the Logan/Veronica relationship, and all that stuff. So, just a big "Ditto!" to everything you said. :-)
May. 21st, 2005 01:29 pm (UTC)
Well, thank you for the dittos, dear. I'm still not happy that I've really landed where I want or said what I mean, but it felt good to spew it all out onto a screen.

There's such a lot of it built up, after all.
May. 21st, 2005 04:07 am (UTC)
What makes VM a challenging show is that the voiceovers invite the audience to think Veronica's word is law, when (in retrospect) she is wrong a lot of the time. This was off-putting to me initially, probably because I came out of BtVS with doubts that the writers could see Buffy as wrong when I did. But as the season unfolded, it became increasingly clear that Rob Thomas and his writers were pretty well aware of Veronica's shortcomings (and would often address them through Wallace, her Jiminy Crickett).

I have no great need to see either Veronica or Logan be happy, but I do find their interplay compelling. They are both guarded people, in different ways, alternately manipulative and vulnerable. I'll be curious to see where it goes.
May. 21st, 2005 01:27 pm (UTC)
What makes VM a challenging show is that the voiceovers invite the audience to think Veronica's word is law, when (in retrospect) she is wrong a lot of the time.

Definitely. It was never so well done or so clearly done by BtVS, at least in later seasons. They did have *moments* of it, but they weren't consistently carried out. It's not as if VM does this thing constantly, but when they do use it, it's carried through fully.

I have no great need to see either Veronica or Logan be happy, but I do find their interplay compelling.

You're right on here -- happy isn't what I need. More *story* is what I need ;-). I'm certainly a believer that a 'relationship' doesn't have to mean dull puppies and sunshine all the time, and there are plenty of examples of ongoing tension between leads for multiple seasons. Seems to me that'd work out well here, or that they will build some belief in us that whatever they do with her "love life" is what goes with the story.

As for Logan himself? I'm sooooo not interested in a spinoff. Don't imagine that's something to worry about, though.

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May. 22nd, 2005 03:44 am (UTC)
Oh, wow. Came here via wisteria_.

But, yeah, I was nodding with about everything you said. I was actually having his discussion with another VM watcher. We were wondering about POV on the show and how in the mystery genre (books, movies, tv, etc.) it's usually in first-person. The viewers are assuming that we are watching the show in Veronica's POV, but that can't be true. I don't know how Rob Thomas and company do it, but if we were stuck with Veronica's POV, we would have never gotten those scenes with Logan, never would have found out about his abuse and his family. Same with Duncan, never would have found out about his meds. So, it really is about voice and each character on this show has one--a loud and distintive one.

And with what you said about Logan, you're not alone. I feel 100 percent the same way. I'm not really attracted to Jason Dohring, but how he portrays Logan is just amazing. And you are right. IT IS SO THE VOICE! I read in someone's LJ who got to meet the cast that Jason doesn't "talk" like Logan so I'm assuming the Logan voice is not Jason's voice. Sad, but hey, that's okay, that means the Logan voice is Logan's voice.

Great essay!
May. 22nd, 2005 04:26 am (UTC)
I'm so glad to know I'm not entirely imagining this pov thing!

And...yeah. That voice. ::shivers:: I like my fictional characters to stay fictional, so it's just as well that the actor != character...

It's amazing to me just how much thinking VM induces in me -- I haven't been this full-up in several years, I think.

Nice to meet you...
May. 22nd, 2005 03:59 am (UTC)
I also came here via wisteria and I just love your post. I agree with everything you said, and I am glad I finally have an explanation as to why I fell for Loga, because believe me, I couldn't figure that out at all.
May. 22nd, 2005 04:26 am (UTC)
Oh, I have spent a long, long time trying to figure out how they suckered me in for this one. But they have done it in spades!
May. 22nd, 2005 05:58 am (UTC)
wisteria_ is a total Chris-pimp.
May. 22nd, 2005 06:03 am (UTC)
LOL! Alanna and I go back a good long ways. She gets her cut on a monthly basis ;-)
May. 22nd, 2005 06:05 am (UTC)
Holy God, I could have written this post myself. I am breathless.

I love that you point out that you can see what an unreliable narrator Veronica is, and realize how little you know about what she *really* is, and at the same time be completely under her thrall and feel exactly the way she feels about everything.

And I'm also friending you.
May. 22nd, 2005 02:16 pm (UTC)
And holy god, that *icon*!


Sorry, excuse the fangirl. This show brings her out in some rather spectacular ways ;-)

Welcome to the funny farm. I'm so happy to be meeting more folks from VM fandom now -- the fic lists had me thinking that there were precious few folks over Veronica's age for a while there.

realize how little you know about what she *really* is, and at the same time be completely under her thrall and feel exactly the way she feels about everything.

You summed it up marvellously there. There *is* so much we don't know about her, yet I am hers and want for her what she wants so much that the intensity frightens me just a little.
May. 22nd, 2005 06:27 am (UTC)
Fantastic post. One of my favorite things all along has been the way we've slowly come to realize that Veronica is a very unreliable narrator. And yet, as you say, we are wholly influenced by her point of view. Maybe this human-ness in her is part of what makes her so lovable? I've read maaaaaaany posts, especially on TWoP, where people say, "The main character is very rarely my favorite character on a show . . . I don't even usually like the main character that much - but Veronica is my girl!" We usually see our friends' flaws pretty clearly, and we choose to love them anyway. Here, we're given the same opportunity - with Veronica - to see her flaws and their consequences, and many of us choose to love her.

I may be giving the writers more credit than they deserve, but I choose to say that I love the characterization they've given Veronica, and I have found it to be incredibly consistent throughout in all its fucked up glory. People are complicated, and the more things you pile on them, the weirder they'll become. And I'm friending you.
May. 22nd, 2005 02:23 pm (UTC)
And friending you back. I'm so happy to meet another optimist by choice! The way you describe it, that choosing to trust the story, is what I'm all about. It's somewhat rare for me to fall in love, but when I do it's all or nothing. And these two bits:

Maybe this human-ness in her is part of what makes her so lovable?

Indeed. I'm sure that it's what has me enthralled, at the very least. I suppose being an angst hound doesn't hurt, but honestly? I adore the cheesy, fluffy bits just as much as the angsty ones. That could come from knowing that RT has more in store for us when he delivers the fluff, but I think it's just overall story and character consistency. Just when I think the show has "wimped out" or gone too soft, there's a whammo waiting right around the corner a la "you're my sister".

::shakes self::

I'm wandering off into blah-blah territory again here, so off to find coffee. Nice to meet you!

May. 22nd, 2005 06:24 pm (UTC)
Here through wisteria_. ;-)

Veronica as a narrator manages to hand the viewers dramatic irony where almost-first-person-POVs have been unable to in the past. We know things that Veronica doesn't, and that heightens our interest in what she does know and what she could do with that.

One of the truer things about the show which you addressed is that nobody's looking for happiness. I'm sure that the characters don't really think that it's love. They think that it's lust and fun and pretty gorgeous to be in. But love? Veronica couldn't think that, and Logan ... I think Logan wants to think that but can't. His is an interesting character, and his relationships are messed up.

I'm surprised that you didn't address Veronica's rape (for all that the show messed that up). Her relationship with people is heavily influenced by it -- she didn't have any friends but the people who couldn't have done it: Wallace, the newcomer; Weevil, the one who wouldn't have gotten into the party; Leo, who wouldn't have been there (one assumes he's a mix between Wallace and Weevil); finally, Troy, the boy she dated who, like Wallace, wasn't there for it.

That paragraph is confusing, but, wow, it's 105ºF. I'm allowed.

(BTW: your entire paragraph on how you came to love Logan? So mine. I didn't like JD at first, but then, whoa, it's twu wub.)
May. 22nd, 2005 10:27 pm (UTC)
Worry not, I'm right there with you. And 105??? Sheesh. Arizona?

I'm surprised that you didn't address Veronica's rape (for all that the show messed that up). Her relationship with people is heavily influenced by it

Mostly I didn't go there because it would have dragged me off on yet another tangent, and whoa, but it was long enough to start with. I imagine a fully-done treatment of the topic is enough to fill a longish research paper. Could be fun to do, mind you, but well beyond my attention span at the moment ;-)

That said, ATttD was the *ultimate* exercise in pov exploration, wasn't it? And I do think the deeper threads of Veroncia's psyche are all wrapped up in denial and self-protection, not just because of the rape, but because of her mother's alcoholism, and possibly other things we don't know about her yet. I think there is a lot more to know about one Veronica Mars, and expect that they can use that much to their advantage as future seasons progress.
May. 22nd, 2005 07:37 pm (UTC)
Wonderfully put. I have no words. *thumbs up*
May. 22nd, 2005 10:27 pm (UTC)
::peers suspiciously::

Is that Leather Tuscadero typing in my LJ?
May. 22nd, 2005 09:51 pm (UTC)
I'm also here via wisteria_. Very astute observations... I was totally drawn into LoVe as well, and it's only now after reading this that I understand how it was done! When I first watched the show I didn't really care about Logan at all, but all of a sudden I was really into LoVe. Finally I started questioning myself when I remembered that I didn't actually like him... weird! Adding your post to my memories :)
May. 22nd, 2005 10:28 pm (UTC)
I gotta give wisteria_ extra pimp paybacks this month, I think. She's sent all of you folks over here to yack with me about my shiny new obsession, and I love her for it.

Glad you liked, and nice to meet you!
May. 24th, 2005 01:20 pm (UTC)
(Another person here through wisteria_.)

Excellent essay. One of the things that I've grown to love about this show is that while Veronica as the narrator seems like such a straight-forward narrative style, even knowing she has to be unreliable, it actually adds so many layers to the show. We learn a lot about Veronica from what she doesn't say as well as what she does, and by constantly trying to align her narration with what we see on the screen we're even more sucked into her POV and trying to figure her out.

I'm also right with you with your feelings about Logan and Logan/Veronica. I hated him at the beginning, but as Veronica began to see beyond his exterior and feel for him against her will so did I. I'd love to read Logan/Duncan and Logan/Weevil fic, but this summer so far I tend to be looking for Logan/Veronica fic and I definitely want Veronica/Logan on my screen. As a veteran slasher, this is saying a lot for me. :)
May. 25th, 2005 04:31 am (UTC)
sorry about that. bad tags, stupid LJ with no comment edit function


My wisteria_ fee is going to go up a huge amount this month, but it's soooo worth it to meet so many new VM fans.

by constantly trying to align her narration with what we see on the screen we're even more sucked into her POV and trying to figure her out.

This is *it*, completely. I love it all mixed up and presented to me in a cheesy wrapper, so that I can unwrap it and play with it endlessly.

We all seem to be singing a similar theme song: "Logan+Veronica on my tv, please." What's really interesting here is that I'm noticing I'm not the only person who normally tends heavily to the het or f/f who is sucked in by the awesomeness that could be Weevil/Logan and the screwed-upness that would certainly be Logan/Duncan. There's some fabulous Duncan/Logan fic out there alongside some unbelievably good threesomes with D/L/V. There is, unfortunately, not much Weevil/Logan to be found. Yet. I'm hoping that all the merry slashers are just paying more attention to quality and taking their time writing and posting ;-)
May. 25th, 2005 01:28 am (UTC)
*waves a lighter in your general direction again, calls for Freebird*

Oh, wait.

I loved this essay. I know, late to the party. I think it's very interesting the extent to which the way the story is told and how much we are led to identify with Veronica may be a major reason that the canon 'ships are so popular -- we see things as Veronica sees them, in some ways with less resentment than we give other narrators because we're never invited to see her as perfect. When we get a perfect picture, we start to question, but because we KNOW Veronica is often wrong, but that we'll get to see how she's wrong, it's easier to just go along for the ride with her.
May. 25th, 2005 04:29 am (UTC)
Late? Heck, the party's just getting started. There are months until the next episode! Besides, if that's Bo Bice you've got in tow singing Freebird, I'm *all* yours.

When we get a perfect picture, we start to question, but because we KNOW Veronica is often wrong, but that we'll get to see how she's wrong, it's easier to just go along for the ride with her.

It's completely insidious, and when I start looking with a microscope instead of a macroscope, it blows me away. The Aaron threads are like this too, you know.

Jeez. I am so obsessed someone ought to check me into a facility...I am going to alienate every non-watcher here on LJ and in RL before the summer is out.

::turns on the amplifier and spreads the love::
May. 25th, 2005 03:59 am (UTC)
Well.. I was only going to lurk.. but I have been suckered into commenting.

I too have fallen for Logan.. I, on the other hand, fell when he was bashing in her headlights with a tire iron. I didn't realize it at first, but in retrospect that was the moment for me. But I think I am a special case here.

I don't think anyone in Neptune is capable of love. Everytime one of them has tried the love route they have been bitten in the ass by it. Veronica with Duncan (and vice versa), Logan with Lilly, Weevil with Lilly, Keith with Lianne, Celeste with Jake. All of them have been "in love" and it never worked out. Love doesn't happen in Neptune.

(oh and I came here in a roundabout way from [info]jaggedreality.)
May. 25th, 2005 04:26 am (UTC)
Hey, variety is what makes the world go around, right? How do you feel about Veronica herself? ::curious::

Love doesn't happen in Neptune.


On the one hand, you're right, there's an obvious 'love hurts' theme going on (kind of fits with the genre/style). Whole lotta fucked up relationships. But there *is* love (or something like it). It just comes with a HUGE helping of pain and agony. The big one that comes to mind is Keith and Veronica, of course. But you could make an argument for Jake and Celeste having been married for, what, at least 17 years and lasting through a lot of pain and agony (ooooh, fic bunny!). And I would make an argument that there's *potential* there for Alicia and Keith. Oh! And you can't forget Wallace and Veronica. That's a different sort of love, but...it's relevant.

There's a lot of darkness and angst, but it's tempered with threads of hope and rays of light. Or, quite possibly, I'm heading for a heartache ;-)
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May. 28th, 2005 12:13 am (UTC)
I got here all on my own, although wisteria_ still rocks.

This is a show where it is easy to get tripped up in trusting POV when the POV is not law. Take Veronica's recreations of past events, such as Lilly's murder. When she says to Duncan, I know how it must have happened, there are details in the scene between Aaron and Lilly that she couldn't know for sure, such as Lilly telling him the tapes would be all over Access Hollywood (or whatever sensationalist star driven "news" show she named). Although there is nothing based in fact to support that detail, because we see what Veronica imagines happened it is hard not to get sucked in to accepting it as fact.

But I'm glad they make the sorting out of fact, fiction and supposition complicated - it makes me have to be a thinking watcher, not just a viewer.
May. 28th, 2005 01:46 pm (UTC)
Take Veronica's recreations of past events, such as Lilly's murder.

Nods. I was talking to someone (can't remember who, maybe mazzy?)about this very thing. VM has a flavor of continuity that assumes a high level of engagement and attention on the part of its viewers. So few shows do that...I love not being spoon fed.

You have to figure that the police found that big honking ash tray in the pool right beside where she died, and yeah, they whitewashed the whole tshirt to wipe and avoid prints thing, but still, they must have found it. In fact, I can't imagine how she'd have put it all together that way without knowing the murder weapon. Yet we know she's likely got some of the details wrong. It's like a little game of clue. She finally had all the pieces of the puzzle, but they only make an outline, and she fills in the rest. We forget that she might be very wrong.

Sigh. I love my new obsession.
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May. 28th, 2005 01:58 am (UTC)
Okay, I, too, have been lurking for weeks, but this essay brings to mind a question I've been struggling with: what about Veronica's POV regarding Lilly? She's gone back and forth on just about everyone else in her universe: Duncan, Logan, her mother, Weevil, loving them or loathing them in different degrees depending on what she finds out about them. But in the last episode, she discovers that her beloved best friend was running around behind her boyfriend's back with at least two different guys--and one of them the boyfriend's own father!--and that apparently she considered this last secret a "good one." And this is certainly not the first time it's been implied that "wild child" was a polite descriptor for Lilly. For example, I think there was a definite suggestion in "Lord of the Bling" that had Veronica not dumped the new girl in school because Logan had kissed her that she would have lost Lilly. Not exactly a trustworthy girl on many levels. Yet Veronica's affection for Lilly seems unaffected by this last discovery--perhaps the only person who remains "golden" in Veronica's mind.

I can't help but wonder how the Veronica of a year before would have reacted if Lilly had lived to tell her secret.

Another potential topic for an entire monograph--and one I don't have the time or energy to write. Anyway, thanks for your thought-provoking post.
May. 28th, 2005 02:05 pm (UTC)
what about Veronica's POV regarding Lilly?

ohohohohoh! Yes. This is soooo important, I think. One of the moments I was most disappointed in Veronica this season is when she gave in to Lilly in the LotB flashback. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that "our" Veronica was pretty disappointed in herself, at least in retrospect, as well.

Lilly is, imho, the ultimate symbol of Veronica's denial. Veronica still love(s/ed) her, but the wool is removed from her eyes in what is the last scene of the season. We get a taste of the recognition of reality when V gives up the fantasy she had of her mother, but that poolhouse scene in which she tries one last time to resurrect the fantasy, and Lilly shoots her down? *That* was the final step for our girl.

The door scene? Really a preview of coming attractions and a carrot designed to keep our attention for the 5 months of down time...there's no reason the door can't be a continuation of Veronica shedding her blinders, of course -- lots of options there, though the concept pretty much rules out Wallace as standing at the door. It could still be any of the three mirrors she has through the season: D, L, or W.

Hey, thanks for the food for thought!
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